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Is MySpace For Poor And Stupid People?

by Buddy 'Friendly' Wachenheimer
Wednesday, December 3, 2008. 08:06AM
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Myspace BusinessWeek reporter Jon Fine reveals an interesting interview with Michael Wolff sharing his insight about MySpace, its value and prospects.

Michael Wolff, is the author of the new Rupert Murdoch bio “The Man Who Owns The News.”

Michael Wolff: MySpace. They [meaning News Corp] know they have a huge problem. They’re quaking in their boots about MySpace. It always was a little rustling when I was there, there was this rustling—

Jon Fine: What do you identify as the problem?

MW: Facebook.

JF: OK. But Facebook is still smaller in America, and—

MW: Absolutely. But you know the rhythms of the Internet business, which I think are still, at this point, immutable. Something else comes along—a better technology, a better flavor of the month—and you, the former, are downgraded. Possibly to the point of being downgraded out of existence.

JF: I think there you are falling into a fairly common thing. Facebook—it’s a better experience than MySpace. But the traffic on MySpace and the people on it…

MW: All of the growth now in MySpace is international.

JF: Sure. Because once you get to 75 million in the US, where are you gonna go?

MW: I know they recognize this: “We got to monetize this thing. We got to get this thing off the books.”

JF: Your magazine or my magazine would give both ears to get to $750 million in revenue [which is, very roughly, what MySpace’s revenues are]. The funny thing about MySpace . . .

MW: What they understand, is their $25 billion to $30 billion valuation.—

JF: But that’s [expletive]. We both know that’s [expletive].

MW: It doesn’t make any difference. That’s gonna go down. What they are looking at is the distinct possibility that it can go down to nothing.

JF: How do you find that plausible? It’s not even a utility like—-the anti-Google argument is this: If someone builds a better search engine tomorrow, I have zero switching costs. If I am on MySpace, I have 500 friends. I use it to communicate with people. You can’t just move. It’s a pain in the ass. All your stuff is there.

MW: But that’s exactly what they said about AOL.

JF: You did not develop that relationship with AOL.

MW: You did. You exactly did.

JF: How?

MW: Your email was there, because your friends were there. I mean, AOL operated actually as the community of its day. There were all of those—

JF: But besides the email and, OK, the—

MW: There were the infinite number of chat rooms. Layer upon layer upon layer of sex chat rooms.

JF: Of course. And I give you credit for having pointed to that as the secret driver of its success. But, all you need is a different chat room. You don’t have pictures up [on AOL]. You don’t have your history up there. You don’t have—

MW: It doesn’t matter. What they saw at the time was that [users] were absolutely wedded to AOL. That was Time Warner’s bet on that.

JF: AOL was monodimensional in a way that MySpace is not. I don’t think that’s particularly debatable.

MW: I don’t think that’s true. I think it is–if you’re on MySpace now, you’re a [expletive] cretin. And you’re not only a [expletive] cretin, but you’re poor. Nobody who has beyond an 8th grade level of education is on MySpace. It is for backwards people.

JF: [unsuccessfully stifling laughter] I don’t mean to get all Murdoch’s-kids on you [an obscure reference to an earlier part of the conversation], but if you are in a band, you are on MySpace. You have to be on MySpace. That’s a powerful driver. And second of all– if I am to accept your reasoning, even though I don’t–as the success of [News Corp’s British tabloid] The Sun will tell you, there are lot of cretins out there and you can make a lot of money off cretins. By appealing to their essential–

MW: No! That is the difference. And that is one of the interesting points of Murdoch. He wants to make money off of what he rightly saw as a rising lower class. He came to this country and he sees, that’s just not really true. No one really identifies with being lower class [in the US]. As soon as it comes to you—‘I am lower class’–you run, and you have to rehabilitate all of your aspirational identifiers.

WHO'S OPINION DO YOU AGREE WITH, MICHAEL WOLFF'S OR JON FINE'S, AND WHY?

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THIS ISSUE?

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Saturday, December 20, 2008. 06:16AM by Buddy 'Friendly' Wachenheimer
Job well done
Friday, December 19, 2008. 04:45PM by Bret Carpenter
oh...you are very welcome
Friday, December 19, 2008. 04:42PM by Buddy 'Friendly' Wachenheimer
Yes, thanks
Friday, December 19, 2008. 11:49AM by Bret Carpenter
was i stupid enough for ya....HA
Friday, December 19, 2008. 08:33AM by Bret Carpenter
[chuckles]
Thursday, December 18, 2008. 08:21PM by Bret Carpenter
!!!!dlrowllamsasti
Wednesday, December 10, 2008. 04:51PM by Buddy 'Friendly' Wachenheimer
Write on Lefton!
Tuesday, December 9, 2008. 02:46PM by Marc Lefton
Sara, I like Facebook better but maybe only because of the potential. On MySpace you can be left alone a lot better, but I am sick and tired of being poked, having snowballs thrown at me etc. But the applications have a ton of potential to really connect people around exciting ideas - it's just a matter of the right people (maybe me!) writing ones that people will really use and care about.
Tuesday, December 9, 2008. 06:15AM by Richard Track
itsasmallworld!!!!
Friday, December 5, 2008. 04:12PM by Sara Ryan
I also have to say as a user of Facebook, and many other social networking sites, other than this one and MySpace, that Facebook BLOWS the hardest...the applications are stupid, there is no creativity in creating your page, it is a pain in the ass to post music and to get fans, and no one really cares about music on Facebook like they do on MySpace.
Friday, December 5, 2008. 11:10AM by Sara Ryan
MySpace works, it has served me well, and many others in the industry. I'm not rich by any means, but I'm certainly not stupid. I have made actual "real" friends there and have found artists to work with. It is a great place to be creative, and is fundamental for musicians, politicians, comedians, models, etc...to get the word out. It is iconic and has changed internet advertising in many wonderful ways. These types of discussions are only possible because of how remarkable it's success has been, and the impact it will continue to have in the future. Social networking is an integrated part of life, no matter how much Bret denies having a myspace page. BTW, one of my favorite features of myspace is being able to make my pages any way I want, it is so much fun! I love the elaborate marketing campaigns and look forward to something new everytime I log on...it's easy to "rag" on something so revolutionary and so popular, I only wish it had been MY idea!
Thursday, December 4, 2008. 08:10PM by Bret Carpenter
Thursday, December 4, 2008. 08:08PM by Bret Carpenter
Thursday, December 4, 2008. 08:08PM by Bret Carpenter
Thursday, December 4, 2008. 07:41PM by Bret Carpenter
gee that post was stupid save the Bitter:Sweet being fabulous part.....blip....oh an can i spell....and i am not a MEMBER of myspace.....
Thursday, December 4, 2008. 07:37PM by Bret Carpenter
http://www.myspace.com/bittersweettu... a memeber of myspace nor is this post specific relevant but Bitter: Sweet is fabulous.
Wednesday, December 3, 2008. 06:13PM by Marc Lefton
Friendster is Boston. MySpace is Las Vegas. Facebook is New York. Friendster started out as the uber-network. They had too many rules and started deleting accounts for stupid reason. MySpace came along and said "Hey, we'll let you make your profile have a purple background with pink type and let you plaster your kittie photos everywhere. Heck, you're 53 and like 13 year old girls? Come on over! Want to post pics of your penis? Great! We won't notice. There's 20 of us and 100 million of you!" So MySpace exploded while Friendster got drunk and became a third-rate site. Facebook came along and said "Well, for those of you who are tired of the crime and sleaziness of MySpace but want some freedom, more culture, things to do and a nice, simple, clean profile, come on over here." What's left on MySpace are the people too stupid to know the difference. That a simple site is a better site. That giving non-designers the opportunity to design their part of your site is a recipe for disaster. That maybe you don't want every single person who knows how to hunt and peck at a keyboard on your website. I'd advertise on Facebook well before I would come near Myspace.
Wednesday, December 3, 2008. 05:25PM by Sonya B
Interesting article. Facebook appears to me to be more college students and young professionals, but according to my sons, only pedophiles and twelve year old girls are on Myspace. I don't know if that falls into either argument, but it's a perception among some. There is also LinkedIn, which is Facebook for the professional class. Anyway, it's hard enough to post here...I can't imagine having the time or desire to keep up with the other stuff. I don't have the attention span. That reminds me...I need to finish my profile one of these days.
Wednesday, December 3, 2008. 11:27AM by Kevin Wohler
Interesting. I hadn't considered the socio-economic implications of having a MySpace account. I guess I'll delete mine so I can feel upper-middle class. (That was sarcasm, by the way.) The point JF made is a good one. MySpace is good for what it does, promoting bands, films, comedians... Facebook doesn't offer that same kind of promotion. Also, it's a lot easier to find people of similar interests on MySpace. Facebook is like a MySpace for real life.
Wednesday, December 3, 2008. 10:12AM by michael Iva
Most Michael's seem to make the most sense LOL, "Murdoch wants to make money off of what he rightly saw as a rising lower class. He came to this country and he sees, that’s just not really true. No one really identifies with being lower class [in the US]. As soon as it comes to you—‘I am lower class’–you run, and you have to rehabilitate all of your aspirational identifiers."