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The more things change...

by Eric Hegdahl for Fuel
Thursday, September 29, 2005. 12:35PM
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I remember the Mac vs. PC debate from years ago that seems totally irrelevant now and has for what seems like forever. Yes, I am a mac geek.

Today there's a debate over InDesign vs. Quark. Quark 7 is on the way and promises to level the playing field having rewritten it's code from top to bottom and side to side. It sports a new enhanced graphics engine under the hood and Quark even claims to handle transparency better, and independently within the same box, even more intuitively.

Quark doesn't mention Adobe by name or refer to them as the other guys. They don't give credit to Adobe for pushing Quark into revamping their juggernaut software title. Time will tell if they can catch Adobe. There is after all a noticeable shift this year from QuarkXpress to Adobe InDesign.

Does anyone remember the days when Quark rose to world domination over Aldus Pagemaker? (insert favorite term of abuse here in place of pagemaker. Mine is Painmaker ) Aldus was acquired in 1994 by Adobe. Payback sure is a bitch.

Does it really matter?

Here is a bold statement. Quark 4, believe it or not, is still considered by some to be the best version of Quark. But it is dated. Quark 6.5 appears stable enough in OSX to knock off it's older brother from the number one spot. What's still disappointing though is the RGB color sliders are still defining colors with 0-100% values instead of 0-255 values. This sucks when you need to match RGB colors by the numbers. Yes of course there are workarounds, there always are but it's damn difficult to match RGB colors from other programs because of this defect.

Who cares?

How nice of you to ask...At Print05 Quark seemed surprised at the request to change this but at least they listened, or pretended to. I won't hold my breath waiting to see if it gets anywhere. As far as I know, I asked, there are no official plans to change the way RGB color sliders work in Quark.

What are we looking at today?

InDesign has matured a lot from it's version 1.0 days. Adobe's apparent seamless integration of Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign, along with Acrobat is a definite favorite. The alpha mask as a silo outside Photoshop is pretty cool too. These are not exclusive to Adobe only products but the seamless integration ties it together nicely. Transparency however...well...ouch! Please compose it in Photoshop to get it right the first time.

So what's your pain with Quark and InDesign and what's your fix? Do you juggle them or are you an either / or user?

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Monday, October 3, 2005. 08:35AM by Eric Hegdahl
That gives me chills...Microsoft buying Quark. Before I start my cold sweats though, I'm not so convinced that the student body is being raised on just Microsoft product. I continue to read headlines of major organizations and even whole Governments dumping Microsoft for an alternative. Here's the dark horse, Linux. I'll admit it's a very dark horse but consider OpenOffice, zero cost to purchase. It's an open source Linux, Mac and Windows alternative to the Microsoft Office suite. StarOffice from Sun, open source and at a fraction of the cost. There is even more development on Scribus, Inkscape and Gimp on the publishing front. All open source and no cost to purchase and almost all available on Windows. Microsoft will never go away and it has a nice polish to it. But I hope the fresh taste of alternatives stays with everyone.
Monday, October 3, 2005. 07:55AM by Jon Michael Grusky
Yes, Jeff, they still make Piece-o-Craps. We'll all need to meet in person if anyone's going to get me started on the long-overdue demise of Quark, or as my best friend Ralph calls it, "SucksPoint5." Between the unoverrideable type drop shadows, predictable unexpected quits, pasteboard space limitations, I just can't type fast enough... Eric, on behalf of all and especially myself, thank you for taking the time out and starting this, and a really good start it is! I have much to contribute on this matter, in time. Great blog, very relevant. Of course now I'm just mad again.
Saturday, October 1, 2005. 10:01AM by shaun arora
Ha ... he said Aldus. I like quark, but having so many tools and patches in Adobe make it a plus. And indesign is friendlier. My beef is that, like it or not, we are living in a Microsoft world. Designers and printers and artists will be in the Adobe world for quiet some time, but our clients and sales reps and students are being raised to do stuff in word and excel and the dredded ppt. I am just waiting for Microsoft to start building up their design tools or acquire quark and give Adobe a run for the money.
Friday, September 30, 2005. 06:23AM by Jeffrey Riman
Do they still make PCs?